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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

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  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  godrulz

  The passage is NOT talking about individual salvation that is not based on decree...

  It obviously was for Jacob and Esau.
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  godrulz

  Rom. 9-11 is about the sovereign election of Israel for mission/service and her future restoration.

  Rom 9:10

  And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls-- 12 she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

  You keep saying Jacob and Esau represent nations. OK Assuming I accept this idea for a moment, that doesn't change the fact that God hated Esau, and hated him even before he was born, before he had done anything good or bad. He was chosen to be the head of all the vessels of wrath fitted for distruction.

  These benefits/consequences relate to free choices (faith vs unbelief), not decree, determinism, etc.

  He does not arbitrarily decree who will be saved or lost...

  For everyone but babies, they're saved by decree and never get to make a choice.

  Those who refuse to come remain condemned.

  Except babies who where never condemned anyway? How old were you when you LOST your salvation?
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  godrulz

  Rom. 9-11 is about the sovereign election of Israel for mission/service and her future restoration.

  You can spin it any way you like, you didn't answer my question. What does it mean to be a vessel of wrath "prepared for destruction"?

  How about Jacob and Esau?

  God choose Jacob and HATED Esau.
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  I need a JW & a Christian please.

  by NomadSoul in

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  alright, bare with me.

  i searched the forum for a similar topic but i didn't find any.. if you know of such a thread please let me know.

  if not i need a jw and a christian to debate the following topic:.

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  Luke 2:11 can be used to show he was already Messiah at or before his birth.

  Luk 2:11 For there is born to you, this day, in the city of David, a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord. (HNV)

  Luk 2:11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. (NASB)
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  I need a JW & a Christian please.

  by NomadSoul in

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  alright, bare with me.

  i searched the forum for a similar topic but i didn't find any.. if you know of such a thread please let me know.

  if not i need a jw and a christian to debate the following topic:.

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  When did Jesus become the Messiah?

  Before the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  godrulz

  I'll give you credit, you made some interesting statements.

  There is great risk, double-edged sword to creating free moral agents with great capacity for love and evil. God does save infants because they cannot reject Him. It would be unjust to condemn those without moral and mental capacity.

  I wouldn't claim to know who God saves, the bible doesn't comment on savation "based" on age. In fact the bible is clear that only those who are in Christ (covered by his blood) are saved.

  There is nothing right about killing humanity and playing god to save some from hell or evil. God has already done that in the cross.

  Agreed. It does seem rather odd to me though, that you trust God's sovereign grace with children, but not with the rest of humanity. God has every right to save or condemn whoever he chooses, see Romans 9.

  Oh, while you're in Romans 9, can you tell me what it means to be one of the "vessels of wrath prepared for destruction"? v22

  This is why men are without excuse for rejecting His perfect provision (Rom. 1).

  Here we seem to have a problem. In fact, that passage says nothing about "rejecting His perfect provision", but' in a long list of things that God's wrath is revealed against, is, being "disobedient to parents". v30 I'm not sure how that applies only to adults.

  Love does not coerce, so God will not force people into heaven or out of hell. Again, nothing unfair in all of this, just the wisdom of God.

  Looks to me like you have a problem then. By your way of thinking, God is forcing the very weakest among us (babies) into heaven.
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  godrulz

  Stay focused. Answer my question.

  If a baby lacks the "moral/mental capacity to chose or reject God" (this looks like no free will to chose or reject God to me), and doesn't get to make a choice, what happens to them?

  Does God save them even without a choice?

  If so, how is this "fare"? If God saves all infants, wouldn't the loving thing be to kill them before they get old enough to decide to hate and reject him?
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  Exactly how many different views of Jesus are there on the Board and doesn't that kind of tell Believers the obvious problem...

  by designs in

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  designs

  Then by all means call JWs brothers and sisters in Christ because if there is that much difference in the Churches, which can't be reconciled from one messanger's supposedly clarian voice, then JWs who figured out a way to believe in both destinies shouldn't be pilloried.

  They, by their own desire/words do not want to be my brother. They outwardly reject my God.

  The Presbyterians, Lutherans, Baptists and many others, while having some differences still worship and love and embrace my God. We see each other as brothers in Christ.
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  What say you Christians ???

  by wobble in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?

  is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.

  all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.

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  godrulz

  Babies cannot do math or build cars, but that does not mean they do not have free will. Ability and free will are not identical. An immature baby has free will, but lacks the extent of moral/mental capacity to chose or reject God.

  You have yet to answer the question. OK If a baby lacks the "moral/mental capacity to chose or reject God" (this looks like no free will to chose or reject God to me), and doesn't get to make a choice, what happens to them? Does God save them even without a choice? If so, how is this "fare"? If he saves all infants, wouldn't the loving thing be to kill them before they get old enough to decide?
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  In "Real Life" Are You How You Appear To Be On This Site?

  by minimus in

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  in real life, i do not ask people questions.. i don't look like the avatar of minimus.. i am very personable and well liked.. and....i'm pretty discerning, should i say so myself..

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  I have a few more eyes and one more horn than my avatar